外媒曝4朝鲜球员南非失踪 未经证实

North Korean Players gone missing.
 CubEdIn   Romania. June 17 2010 22:18. Posts 2682ProfileBlog#
Hello TL.
As I was tuning in to see the second half of the Argentina vs S.Korea game, I heard the newscaster for TVR1 (Romania's national TV station) talking about four north korean players gone missing from the world cup.
It is believed that they have fled in order to avoid going back to North Korea.
However, I can't seem to find an internet source for this. It could be because it's recent, but I sincerely doubt it's false since it was on national tv (I know, not the BEST argument..)
Did anyone else hear about this? Do we have an official source?
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 Pika Chu   Romania. June 17 2010 22:22. Posts 1617ProfileBlog#
I've red that in a romanian newspaper as well, this morning. It's not sure about them running away after coming to South Africa or not making the trip in the last second.
 Katsuge   Singapore. June 17 2010 22:24. Posts 2338Profile#
wow really?
excellent decision made by the players :3
 Flicky   England. June 17 2010 22:25. Posts 605ProfileBlog#
It was probably just a joke.
 ggrrg   Bulgaria. June 17 2010 22:28. Posts 585ProfileBlog#
Actually, I cannot imagine that any of the Korean players will go back to NK. I mean: who would voluntarily go back to hell?
 CubEdIn   Romania. June 17 2010 22:29. Posts 2682ProfileBlog#
On June 17 2010 22:25 Flicky wrote:
It was probably just a joke.
It wouldn't be a very funny one. And the national television usually checks their sources, they tend to be more "professional" than most other stations. Last edit: 2010-06-17 22:29:45
 Spike   United States. June 17 2010 22:29. Posts 1275Profile#
Give it a day or so but stuff like this has been known to happen.
For example, several Cuban players have defected to the US when they visit for home games. Last edit: 2010-06-17 22:32:56
 Zozo   Brazil. June 17 2010 22:34. Posts 72Profile#
Something similar happened in the 2007 Pan American games in Rio when 2 cuban boxers ( Erislandy Lara and Guillermo Rigondeaux Ortiz) also deserted their country. After being arrested they came up with a random history and were sent back to Cuba to never take part in the sport again.
 GreEny K   Germany. June 17 2010 22:36. Posts 1968Profile#
Jeez, if they really did run away to avoid going back to NK... NK will be pissed, probably going to hunt them down and make them play with balls all day.
 oo_xerox   Cuba. June 17 2010 22:37. Posts 473Profile#
On June 17 2010 22:29 Spike wrote:
Give it a day or so but stuff like this has been known to happen.
For example, several Cuban players have defected to the US when they visit for home games.
Cuban adjustment law, thats the translation in english, dunno if u guys say it that way. If a cuban is on US grounds then he/she receives special treatment, he becomes a us citizen or somehitng like that im not sure.
Also, cuban athletes do that NOT because cuba is hell or they are mistreated or something, its because of the payment, most athletes love cuba and their people, and accept that money is what motivates them to leave, thats nothing like north korea, speak properly.
 MorningMusume11   United States. June 17 2010 22:37. Posts 2506ProfileBlog#
If anyone wants to escape this is the easiest way to do it... a lot easier than trying to dodge guard towers and land mines on the 38th Parallel, and easier than trying to go through China to escape
 fabiano   Brazil. June 17 2010 22:38. Posts 528ProfileBlog#
Fleeing is dangerous if the place you are going to will just deport you back to NK if they find you.
 epik640x   June 17 2010 22:39. Posts 169Profile#
Man, that puts the sobering realities of the world in your face amidst all the world cup buzz.
Best of luck to them.
 MorningMusume11   United States. June 17 2010 22:40. Posts 2506ProfileBlog#
On June 17 2010 22:38 fabiano wrote:
Fleeing is dangerous if the place you are going to will just deport you back to NK if they find you.
Easier to find a US Embassy in South Africa than China right?
 cYaN   Norway. June 17 2010 22:40. Posts 2266Profile#
Haven't read anything about that.... but I seem to recall something about their entire families being forced into labor camps if they did that.
 Puosu   June 17 2010 22:51. Posts 4765ProfileBlog#
Seems highly unlikely anything like that could happen, interesting to see how the story develops though.
I don't think this would be the first time a Romanian didn't get a joke, would it? Last edit: 2010-06-17 22:52:05
 illu   Canada. June 17 2010 22:55. Posts 1741ProfileBlog#
On June 17 2010 22:40 MorningMusume11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2010 22:38 fabiano wrote:
Fleeing is dangerous if the place you are going to will just deport you back to NK if they find you.
Easier to find a US Embassy in South Africa than China right?
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 chrisolo   Germany. June 17 2010 22:55. Posts 63Profile#
i seriously was thinking why the north korean players dont flee... i mean, would you go back?
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 HonestTea   June 17 2010 22:56. Posts 4965ProfileBlog#
No such word on this in either US or Korean media.
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 MorningMusume11   United States. June 17 2010 22:59. Posts 2506ProfileBlog#
On June 17 2010 22:55 illu wrote:
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On June 17 2010 22:40 MorningMusume11 wrote:
On June 17 2010 22:38 fabiano wrote:
Fleeing is dangerous if the place you are going to will just deport you back to NK if they find you.
Easier to find a US Embassy in South Africa than China right?
Or Canadian
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 Holgerius   Sweden. June 17 2010 23:02. Posts 5030ProfileBlog#
I really hope they did it. :D Freedom is awesome. Not very likely to be true though.
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 LaLuSh   Sweden. June 17 2010 23:09. Posts 845ProfileBlog#
Swedish commentators said they were listed as "absent", and that they found it peculiar.
No word about them fleeing. Not even sure they came to South Africa with the team.
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 JohannesH   Finland. June 17 2010 23:10. Posts 760Profile#
A lot of the NK players don't live there full time anyway I think?
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 TonyL2   England. June 17 2010 23:22. Posts 1248ProfileBlog#
Slightly off topic, but I only just found out
North Korea did broadcast that they beat Brazil 1-0 to their TVs
Maybe some sort of correlation?
Ok, just kidding it was fake
But yea, hopefully they do get found, cos I actually liked their play
Last edit: 2010-06-17 23:24:06
 Fenrax   Germany. June 17 2010 23:23. Posts 259Profile#
If they have families and they love them they probably won't flee. Communist dictatorships are pretty creative with repressive measures against innocents.
 NIJ   United States. June 17 2010 23:25. Posts 66Profile#
On June 17 2010 23:22 TonyL2 wrote:
Slightly off topic, but I only just found out
North Korea did broadcast that they beat Brazil 1-0 to their TVs
Maybe some sort of correlation?
Ok, just kidding it was fake
But yea, hopefully they do get found, cos I actually liked their play
lol at least they should have gotten the audio from korean commentators in ESPN3.
 Prodtoss   China. June 17 2010 23:29. Posts 700Profile#
How yutobe got NK TV? and upload to internet so quick? Last edit: 2010-06-17 23:32:09
 Pika Chu   Romania. June 17 2010 23:30. Posts 1617ProfileBlog#
I already wrote this on the NK vs Brasil thread.
IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME NK TEAM GETS OUT OF THE COUNTRY FFS! Stop with this concept (quick time to run!). Every summer/winter they go in training sessions just like most teams do. This winter they went to Antalya (Turkey) where they played with loads of teams for 2-3 weeks of training.
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 NIJ   United States. June 17 2010 23:37. Posts 66Profile#
Pikachu, All these any rumors are hilarious and deliciously ironic. I say keep it up instead.
 likeaboss   United States. June 17 2010 23:37. Posts 1604ProfileBlog#
would not be surprised at all
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 Biff The Understudy   France. June 17 2010 23:58. Posts 1549ProfileBlog#
On June 17 2010 22:28 ggrrg wrote:
Actually, I cannot imagine that any of the Korean players will go back to NK. I mean: who would voluntarily go back to hell?
Oh please.
What do you know about North Korea?
Plus theses people probably have families and many north koreans have a very positive opinion of their country (propaganda + never be able to go somewhere else).
u dt on the first date? :(
 Biff The Understudy   France. June 17 2010 23:59. Posts 1549ProfileBlog#
There were this joke amongst musician back in the time of USSR:
"What's a string quartet? ... A russian orchestra coming back from a tour in Western Europ."

u dt on the first date? :(
 trace wm   United States. June 18 2010 00:00. Posts 162Profile#
Gotta keep the team together so they can finish their run for the cup. NK's going all the way!
 MorningMusume11   United States. June 18 2010 00:02. Posts 2506ProfileBlog#
On June 18 2010 00:00 trace wm wrote:
Gotta keep the team together so they can finish their run for the cup. NK's going all the way!
I think dreaming about Hot_Bid is an easier dream to have than to see NK go all the way
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 ThePurist   Canada. June 18 2010 00:15. Posts 37Profile#
On June 17 2010 23:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Oh please.
What do you know about North Korea?
Plus theses people probably have families and many north koreans have a very positive opinion of their country (propaganda + never be able to go somewhere else).
For those who know what it is like outside of their homeland, (i.e. playing in Japan or other countries for different clubs) and experiencing first hand that they were fed lies when they were told they are the best nation in the world, it just might give them incentive to run away.
I'm sorry to tell you this but you are wrong about the family thing as well. Many North Koreans that have fled to Canada (living illegally) have abandoned their families in search of new lives or do not have immediate families. I actually know a North Korean first-hand he sells me my smokes and he works a cash job as a shop keeper. We've had some talks and he doesn't like talking about his past and doesn't open up but REALLY seems enjoys his job and his life. He gets paid 10.75/hour but he tells me how happy he is all the time.
I gotta ask you, what do YOU know about North Korea?
 Cambium   Japan. June 18 2010 00:35. Posts 11272ProfileBlog#
On June 18 2010 00:15 ThePurist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2010 23:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Oh please.
What do you know about North Korea?
Plus theses people probably have families and many north koreans have a very positive opinion of their country (propaganda + never be able to go somewhere else).
For those who know what it is like outside of their homeland, (i.e. playing in Japan or other countries for different clubs) and experiencing first hand that they were fed lies when they were told they are the best nation in the world, it just might give them incentive to run away.
I'm sorry to tell you this but you are wrong about the family thing as well. Many North Koreans that have fled to Canada (living illegally) have abandoned their families in search of new lives or do not have immediate families. I actually know a North Korean first-hand he sells me my smokes and he works a cash job as a shop keeper. We've had some talks and he doesn't like talking about his past and doesn't open up but REALLY seems enjoys his job and his life. He gets paid 10.75/hour but he tells me how happy he is all the time.
I gotta ask you, what do YOU know about North Korea?
Congratulations, you know one North Korean and you generalize this to the entire nation. While it's true some North Koreans would want to leave NK, I would think most of them have been properly brainwashed such that they wouldn't.
Also, this is NK's national football team, and I would like to think that they pride themselves in making it that far (they constantly talk about repeating history). I would also doubt they get treated as poorly as the other North Koreans. Also, as many people have already stated, this is not the first time their football team has left NK, and I can imagine many countries are better destinations than South Africa.
I am not saying there is zero possibility, but I just don't understand how people jump on these things so quickly without any confirmed sources (OP is our only source) and assume the "worst" of the NK team. Give me a break.
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 Darpa   Canada. June 18 2010 00:40. Posts 96Profile#
On June 17 2010 22:51 Puosu wrote:
Seems highly unlikely anything like that could happen, interesting to see how the story develops though.
I don't think this would be the first time a Romanian didn't get a joke, would it?
That happened all the time during the cold war, why would it be any different now? Peter Statsny,one of the greatest hockey players of time, defected to Canada when his team (Czechelslovakia - which was part of the soviet union at the time) played a game here. It wouldnt suprise me at all if they ditched the second they saw how much better life can be.
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 Kashmir   New Zealand. June 18 2010 00:42. Posts 21Profile#
On June 17 2010 23:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2010 22:28 ggrrg wrote:
Actually, I cannot imagine that any of the Korean players will go back to NK. I mean: who would voluntarily go back to hell?
Oh please.
What do you know about North Korea?
I know that they have such thing as a 'labour camp' which is really just a fancy term for a concentration camp. I know thatthis guy is the only person to have successfully escaped camp 14. which by all accounts is incredible.
I see what you mean about NK citizens being hand fed propaganda from birth but over time thousands have defected to other countries so there's at least a small minority who are willing to risk it/don't believe the lies their government teaches them.
On topic: I can't actually find any news of this anywhere online but if it's true I hope they make it. Last edit: 2010-06-18 00:43:53
 ThePurist   Canada. June 18 2010 00:45. Posts 37Profile#
On June 18 2010 00:35 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2010 00:15 ThePurist wrote:
On June 17 2010 23:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Oh please.
What do you know about North Korea?
Plus theses people probably have families and many north koreans have a very positive opinion of their country (propaganda + never be able to go somewhere else).
For those who know what it is like outside of their homeland, (i.e. playing in Japan or other countries for different clubs) and experiencing first hand that they were fed lies when they were told they are the best nation in the world, it just might give them incentive to run away.
I'm sorry to tell you this but you are wrong about the family thing as well. Many North Koreans that have fled to Canada (living illegally) have abandoned their families in search of new lives or do not have immediate families. I actually know a North Korean first-hand he sells me my smokes and he works a cash job as a shop keeper. We've had some talks and he doesn't like talking about his past and doesn't open up but REALLY seems enjoys his job and his life. He gets paid 10.75/hour but he tells me how happy he is all the time.
I gotta ask you, what do YOU know about North Korea?
Congratulations, you know one North Korean and you generalize this to the entire nation. While it's true some North Koreans would want to leave NK, I would think most of them have been properly brainwashed such that they wouldn't.
Also, this is NK's national football team, and I would like to think that they pride themselves in making it that far (they constantly talk about repeating history). I would also doubt they get treated as poorly as the other North Koreans. Also, as many people have already stated, this is not the first time their football team has left NK, and I can imagine many countries are better destinations than South Africa.
I am not saying there is zero possibility, but I just don't understand how people jump on these things so quickly without any confirmed sources (OP is our only source) and assume the "worst" of the NK team. Give me a break.
The generalization doesn't come from me, but comes from the North Korean man himself after numerous talks. It is information on what he knows not me. Talking with this man has really brought some shit to perspective and debunks a lot of the information the mass-media spreads. Thanks for the congratulations although quite unnecessary.
The players may or not may not have fled, but I just want to state it is quite plausible.
Edit: I don't think the generalization was a far-fetched one at all. In qualitative sociology it is completely valid to state information from first-hand sources via interviews especially if the information is very hard to come by. I didn't make a strong claim, but refuted the misinformation posted above. If there is something wrong with this please PM me as I am new and you seem to be a more mature poster on teamliquid.
Last edit: 2010-06-18 01:08:27
 shaozu   China. June 18 2010 00:45. Posts 158Profile#
why would they run away in south africa when they had the chance to flee when they were in europe (austria)?
 GunSec   June 18 2010 00:46. Posts 116Profile#
Maybe they realised they faced execution because they lost to brazil :D
 Kashmir   New Zealand. June 18 2010 00:51. Posts 21Profile#
On June 18 2010 00:45 shaozu wrote:
why would they run away in south africa when they had the chance to flee when they were in europe (austria)?
AFAIK no-one's missing yet? At least I can't find any news about it. For all we know they could be holed up in their rooms with indigestion :S
 zerglingsfolife   United States. June 18 2010 01:10. Posts 597ProfileBlog#
For people thinking this is a joke, it happens all the time whenever Cuba plays in the US. In 2008, we saw 7 Cuban players defect. Cuba only had 10 players for their last game, and had to play a man down with no subs the entire game.
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=3291411
I have no idea whether it's true or not, or what players are missing, but you can't just dismiss a report like this can call it a joke. Last edit: 2010-06-18 01:10:39
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 smuiqvj   China. June 18 2010 01:25. Posts 1Profile#
日他娘的别给金二丢人了
不就是回朝挖煤嘛
 zerglingsfolife   United States. June 18 2010 01:33. Posts 597ProfileBlog#
On June 18 2010 01:25 smuiqvj wrote:
日他娘的别给金二丢人了
不就是回朝挖煤嘛
I love google translate.
The other day fuckin disgrace to the King II has
Not that troops to the capital dug Well
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 hhkx   Canada. June 18 2010 01:36. Posts 737Profile#
On June 18 2010 01:10 zerglingsfolife wrote:
For people thinking this is a joke, it happens all the time whenever Cuba plays in the US. In 2008, we saw 7 Cuban players defect. Cuba only had 10 players for their last game, and had to play a man down with no subs the entire game.
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=3291411
I have no idea whether it's true or not, or what players are missing, but you can't just dismiss a report like this can call it a joke.
still, Korea DPR had the chance of playing friendly matches in switzerland and austria earlier this year.
I mean seriously, what's so good about staying in Africa? In order to prepare for world cup 2010, they have been traveling all over the world to play friendly matches. They have been to much better countries. Last edit: 2010-06-18 01:36:54
 illu   Canada. June 18 2010 01:42. Posts 1741ProfileBlog#
On June 18 2010 01:33 zerglingsfolife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2010 01:25 smuiqvj wrote:
日他娘的别给金二丢人了
不就是回朝挖煤嘛
I love google translate.
The other day fuckin disgrace to the King II has
Not that troops to the capital dug Well
That's roughly what he said.
 zerglingsfolife   United States. June 18 2010 01:45. Posts 597ProfileBlog#
On June 18 2010 01:36 hhkx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2010 01:10 zerglingsfolife wrote:
For people thinking this is a joke, it happens all the time whenever Cuba plays in the US. In 2008, we saw 7 Cuban players defect. Cuba only had 10 players for their last game, and had to play a man down with no subs the entire game.
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=3291411
I have no idea whether it's true or not, or what players are missing, but you can't just dismiss a report like this can call it a joke.
still, Korea DPR had the chance of playing friendly matches in switzerland and austria earlier this year.
I mean seriously, what's so good about staying in Africa? In order to prepare for world cup 2010, they have been traveling all over the world to play friendly matches. They have been to much better countries.
There might have been tighter security in those other places that prevented them from leaving. I'm not sure about this, but I'm pretty sure if they go to a US embassy they can go to the US and get citizenship if they wanted? Can anyone confirm or deny that?
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 ig0tfish   United States. June 18 2010 02:19. Posts 53Profile#
On June 18 2010 01:33 zerglingsfolife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2010 01:25 smuiqvj wrote:
日他娘的别给金二丢人了
不就是回朝挖煤嘛
I love google translate.
The other day fuckin disgrace to the King II has
Not that troops to the capital dug Well
hahaha
 gogogadgetflow   United States. June 18 2010 02:24. Posts 403Profile#
Uhmmm. Wouldn't they be worried about their families...
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 Prodtoss   China. June 18 2010 02:46. Posts 700Profile#
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 apathetic21   United States. June 18 2010 02:47. Posts 3Profile#
A vague chinese translation:
Screw his mom he better not disgrace the second Kim.
Even if you lose its just going back to the mines and digging for coal
 SoManyDeadLings   Canada. June 18 2010 03:00. Posts 179ProfileBlog#
On June 18 2010 01:25 smuiqvj wrote:
日他娘的别给金二丢人了
不就是回朝挖煤嘛
无知的白人
他奶奶的谈星际时一个比一个牛，别的啥屁都不懂
 iloahz   Canada. June 18 2010 03:01. Posts 719ProfileBlog#
wow google translate is really good.
 BloodDrunK   Bangladesh. June 18 2010 03:07. Posts 1735Profile#
On June 18 2010 03:00 SoManyDeadLings wrote:
无知的白人
他奶奶的谈星际时一个比一个牛，别的啥屁都不懂
LOL my google translate says
Ignorance of the white
When his grandmother on a Star than a cow fart did not know any other Sha
WTF???
seriously though it's a very bad thing for Korea.but good for the players if they don't manage to get themselves deported back to Korea.
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 Chairman Ray   Canada. June 18 2010 03:10. Posts 1358ProfileBlog#
i would have expected brazilian players to go missing...
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 SoManyDeadLings   Canada. June 18 2010 03:12. Posts 179ProfileBlog#
On June 18 2010 03:07 BloodDrunK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2010 03:00 SoManyDeadLings wrote:
无知的白人
他奶奶的谈星际时一个比一个牛，别的啥屁都不懂
LOL my google translate says
Ignorance of the white
When his grandmother on a Star than a cow fart did not know any other Sha
WTF???
seriously though it's a very bad thing for Korea.but good for the players if they don't manage to get themselves deported back to Korea.
I hardcore slang'ed it and made sure google translate would fail.
Point is, I don't understand why people still believe this story to be even remotely plausible.
1 mention of it in a Romanian news station, and another of it in a Romanian newspaper. Nothing anywhere else.
I guess people really want to believe the story.
 RA   Latvia. June 18 2010 03:13. Posts 206Profile#
Well, it is possible, but I barely expect them to do it since the ones who are sent anywhere from such regime countries are the ones party is sure about. Basically, either they are the most loyal by their own views or the most brainwashed.
My father has told me some stories about how it was when he was a sailor (we are a post USSR republic). Everyone was forcebly brainwashed with bullshit about what's happening in the world, how bad everyone else is, how "we" have to prove we're better and "they" are amoral capitalistic pigs, etc. And nobody without ties in the coutry was allowed to leave, basically if you didn't have any relatives or family, you wouldn't be able to leave the country.
I'm sure that this story, if it's true, is going to be heard of later. If it's not true, we'll never hear about it again, most likely. Because I doubt someone can cover a disappearance of 3 (or 4?) already listed people.
 emucxg   Finland. June 18 2010 03:13. Posts 2143ProfileBlog#
http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/read.php?tid=259454
The source of rumors that if North Korean loses, they will go back to Korean mining for coal is actually from some random organization USA, the author is from South-Korea named MOON KI NAM. seems they really hate North-Korea lol
Last edit: 2010-06-18 03:16:33
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 dacthehork   United States. June 18 2010 03:16. Posts 481ProfileBlog#
North Korean propaganda isn't about being the richest or having the most stuff (like food)
It's racial pride based (not the kill all others kind, or we are better etc) but mainly on the "purity" of koreans (which is a joke since they have not been that isolated and definitely have chinese/japanese/etc ancestors).
Anyway most north Koreans have a lot of pride in being korean, and view the rest of the world as oppressors. They don't necessarily blame the government since it is seen mainly as a military might and not really caring of economics aka the gov propaganda portrays the government only as a military force protecting them from the evils of the world (USA).
Which basically means they all know South Korea is wildly richer and has stuff like food, but they still have immense racial pride in some ingrained belief in purity of the korean people. That Kim Jong Il is protecting them and that south korea envies them for for being pure and not having American influences.
I highly doubt any of them would "escape", although some of the more intelligent who can reason past the stupidity of the propaganda might, especially with recent moves like abolishing the currency.
AKA the koreans in NK don't really want to escape en masse, a lot of them that do leave, return later with food/smuggling etc. The propaganda NK uses is extremely effective, even with how shitty it is they still have pretty good control. In fact most of the propaganda was originally devised from the Japanese occupation (where the idea of Korean purity etc was used by the japanese). The people that ran the north korean media/propaganda where actually originally Japanese supporters.
The reason they piss off the world so much is to strengthen their political position. Having imminent threats, condemnations, warship exercises nearby, can be easily manipulated in the press. With these threats the government can seem credible as a military power protecting the people, since it has failed utterly economically.
South Korea did not proceed with propaganda and greatly scaled it back, because it could easily destabilize the north. If you know recently they scaled back all propaganda since the North would basically be toppled if it actually happened, which would cause them to go to war in a last ditch effort. They are very unstable at the moment. Last edit: 2010-06-18 03:23:49
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 NIJ   United States. June 18 2010 03:24. Posts 66Profile#
On June 18 2010 03:13 RA wrote:
Well, it is possible, but I barely expect them to do it since the ones who are sent anywhere from such regime countries are the ones party is sure about. Basically, either they are the most loyal by their own views or the most brainwashed.
My father has told me some stories about how it was when he was a sailor (we are a post USSR republic). Everyone was forcebly brainwashed with bullshit about what's happening in the world, how bad everyone else is, how "we" have to prove we're better and "they" are amoral capitalistic pigs, etc. And nobody without ties in the coutry was allowed to leave, basically if you didn't have any relatives or family, you wouldn't be able to leave the country.
I'm sure that this story, if it's true, is going to be heard of later. If it's not true, we'll never hear about it again, most likely. Because I doubt someone can cover a disappearance of 3 (or 4?) already listed people.
You don't have to be brainwashed all that badly to believe garbage. Just look at this thread and how much misinformation/ tabloid rumor they are willing to accept. It's really not that hard for people to be stupid lambs since theyre begging to be told what they want to believe.
And we're supposedly on the side with freedom and availability to information. Imagine how much easier it is when the society is closed.
 PacketOverflow   United States. June 18 2010 03:25. Posts 43Profile#
didn't this happen before during Olympics and such back when the USSR was around? Frankly, it's not surprising.
Fight or flight? Yeah, right.
 ThePurist   Canada. June 18 2010 03:31. Posts 37Profile#
It may not be surprising, it is indeed quite sad =( . . . world-class soccer players sent out to represent their home country abandoning their duties for their 'freedom'.
 PacketOverflow   United States. June 18 2010 03:33. Posts 43Profile#
you speak like "freedom" isn't more important than a soccer game...
Fight or flight? Yeah, right.
 ThePurist   Canada. June 18 2010 03:43. Posts 37Profile#
No I don't think you get it.
They are free technically speaking (as citizens of DPRK), but would truly free men abandon the people they know and love to escape to a foreign country?
The concept of the nation's top-tier soccer players trying to make a run for it is sad, not because they are running away, but because it gives the world a glimpse on what it's like in North Korea.
How bad could it be over there? Actually wanting to start a new life in a foreign country not being able to understand the language and all, dealing with the culture shock, living in hiding (as an alien).
That is what I meant. I am just empathetic of the players. Last edit: 2010-06-18 03:51:51
 ZlaSHeR   United States. June 18 2010 04:19. Posts 607ProfileBlog#
Were you reading the onion?
 PacketOverflow   United States. June 18 2010 04:20. Posts 43Profile#
oh i thought you meant sad as in "they shouldn't be ditching their motherland in order to gain 'freedom'". however, it's not surprising because I don't think anyone thought that the situation in NK was pretty by any means.
Fight or flight? Yeah, right.
 NuKedUFirst   Canada. June 18 2010 04:32. Posts 448ProfileBlog#
Best of luck to them, Hope they make it out safe, also hope their families are okay in NK.
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 Moop   Sweden. June 18 2010 05:19. Posts 5Profile#
On June 18 2010 03:31 ThePurist wrote:
It may not be surprising, it is indeed quite sad =( . . . world-class soccer players sent out to represent their home country abandoning their duties for their 'freedom'.
Hope you are trolling. Edit, ops you explained -_- Last edit: 2010-06-18 05:20:39
 ilj.psa   Peru. June 18 2010 05:26. Posts 2297ProfileBlog#
good for them if this is true
 KwarK   United Kingdom. June 18 2010 05:31. Posts 11014ProfileBlog#
On June 18 2010 03:16 dacthehork wrote:
they all know South Korea is wildly richer and has stuff like food
I'm amazed you put that as part of an argument about why North Koreans wouldn't want to defect. I'd be surprised if food was viewed as a western luxury by starving peasants in NK. Not having stuff like food is one of the best reasons to leave.
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 gogogadgetflow   United States. June 18 2010 05:31. Posts 403Profile#
On June 18 2010 05:19 Moop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2010 03:31 ThePurist wrote:
It may not be surprising, it is indeed quite sad =( . . . world-class soccer players sent out to represent their home country abandoning their duties for their 'freedom'.
Hope you are trolling. Edit, ops you explained -_-
lol at his name. It's perfect
edit: well it was before he edited his post Last edit: 2010-06-18 05:32:40
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 FragKrag   United States. June 18 2010 05:34. Posts 8298ProfileBlog#
lol what the fuck sent to coal mines if they lose?
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 Rainmaker5   United States. June 18 2010 05:38. Posts 277Profile#
On June 17 2010 22:37 oo_xerox wrote:
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On June 17 2010 22:29 Spike wrote:
Give it a day or so but stuff like this has been known to happen.
For example, several Cuban players have defected to the US when they visit for home games.
Cuban adjustment law, thats the translation in english, dunno if u guys say it that way. If a cuban is on US grounds then he/she receives special treatment, he becomes a us citizen or somehitng like that im not sure.
Also, cuban athletes do that NOT because cuba is hell or they are mistreated or something, its because of the payment, most athletes love cuba and their people, and accept that money is what motivates them to leave, thats nothing like north korea, speak properly.
Bro, I'm pretty sure that he didn't say anything about the conditions in Cuba, so chill.
Keeping it Hyuk style.
 nihlon   Sweden. June 18 2010 05:42. Posts 357Profile#
This has happened in many Olympics, world championships and other international competitions, from a wide range of countries. I know some marathon runners did the same thing not long ago. Guess it's an "easy" way to get out of ones country. Last edit: 2010-06-18 05:43:22
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 yema1   Iceland. June 18 2010 05:43. Posts 7Profile#
The odds are that their families will be sent to concentration camps if they flee, it's quite terrible. I've watched numerous documentaries and a couple of them talk about it when the whole family is basically executed or worked to death. [1]
1 = National.Geographic.Inside.Undercover.in.North.Korea
They interview a man that managed to escape over the North Korean border to South Korea, when he is asked
"What do you think happened to your family?"
He answers :"I would not like to talk about that."
It's a decent documentary.
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 anch   United States. June 18 2010 05:43. Posts 4814ProfileBlog#
On June 18 2010 03:07 BloodDrunK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2010 03:00 SoManyDeadLings wrote:
无知的白人
他奶奶的谈星际时一个比一个牛，别的啥屁都不懂
LOL my google translate says
Ignorance of the white
When his grandmother on a Star than a cow fart did not know any other Sha
WTF???
seriously though it's a very bad thing for Korea.but good for the players if they don't manage to get themselves deported back to Korea.
translation:
ignorant white man
when they are talking about Starcraft they are noob than one another, they dont know shit.
i still dont get real meaning of 牛 or 牛逼, I am thinking "its ridiculous" Last edit: 2010-06-18 05:47:11
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 Pika Chu   Romania. June 18 2010 05:58. Posts 1617ProfileBlog#
Not another thread about politics... pls no!
And this info isn't even verified, may be just dust in the wind from stupid human rights organizations. And yes i call them stupid if now they're the source of this, as it does no good to anyone.
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
 ZaplinG   United States. June 18 2010 06:13. Posts 3063ProfileBlog#
They probably are at a local gym just workin out and no one knows where they are.
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 FetusFondler   United Arab Emirates. June 18 2010 06:40. Posts 22Profile#
They were all busy watching the newest Day9 daily... sheesh.
 alpskomleko   Slovenia. June 18 2010 08:01. Posts 879ProfileBlog#
FTA (link):
Friends, also from Romania Pika Chu said: "I press on in today's Romania, also see this message, the newspaper said they may have disappeared after arriving in South Africa."
Press on, brave Romanian friend, press on. Last edit: 2010-06-18 08:01:52
players do games, press mens do their things. and fans do make good cheers.
 sludo   United States. June 18 2010 08:56. Posts 1Profile#
On June 18 2010 05:43 anch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2010 03:07 BloodDrunK wrote:
On June 18 2010 03:00 SoManyDeadLings wrote:
无知的白人
他奶奶的谈星际时一个比一个牛，别的啥屁都不懂
LOL my google translate says
Ignorance of the white
When his grandmother on a Star than a cow fart did not know any other Sha
WTF???
seriously though it's a very bad thing for Korea.but good for the players if they don't manage to get themselves deported back to Korea.
translation:
ignorant white man
when they are talking about Starcraft they are noob than one another, they dont know shit.
i still dont get real meaning of 牛 or 牛逼, I am thinking "its ridiculous"
"牛(pron: New ) or 牛逼 (pron:New Bee) is Beijing local slang(now, it is more national ,though) for "bravo "wonderful" "superb". It is often wrote as "NB" for short, and of course, it is an absolutely No-No in formal writing.
On the other side, people use " 傻逼“（pron: Shah Bee) to describe "Stupid","Jerk", and "As*hole".
 mrgerry   United States. June 18 2010 09:11. Posts 479Profile#
So has there been a source saying this happened yet, I haven't heard anything about it
 mrdx   Vietnam. June 18 2010 09:47. Posts 1277ProfileBlog#
On June 18 2010 02:46 Prodtoss wrote:
This thread report by sohu.com
http://2010.sohu.com/20100618/n272873855.shtml
Shit we are making the news ourselves lol
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 mAKiTO   Colombia. June 18 2010 09:54. Posts 3494ProfileBlog#
http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/norcoreanos-desaparecen-concentracion/dasftb/20100618dasdasftb_1/Tes
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 jimminy_kriket   Canada. June 18 2010 10:05. Posts 4022ProfileBlog#
I sugest people watch thishttp://www.vbs.tv/newsroom/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-14
good documentary on north korea from behind the lines
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 SOB_Maj_Brian   United States. June 18 2010 10:06. Posts 259ProfileBlog#
What would happen to there families if the went AWOL? Seems like a big risk.
 tissue   United Kingdom. June 18 2010 10:27. Posts 63Profile#
Yo dawg I heard you like news and TL.
Sohu Sports News
Four players from the North Korean World Cup team have gone missing! So reports a Romanian poster on "TeamLiquid". Here is the entire post:
During the half-time break of the Argentina-South Korea game, I switched channels over to TVR1 (Romanian National Channel 1), and saw in the news that the team has lost contact with four of the players and has no idea of their whereabouts. The opinion of the channel is that these players are avoiding having to return to North Korea.
At the moment, this report has not appeared on any foreign media, so it's authenticity is yet to be verified, but the Romanian National News Channel reports couldn't have come out of nowhere. The post on international forum TeamLiquid elicited substantial response, with netizens contributing various opinions.
Pika Chu, also from Romania, reports: I saw it on a newspaper in Romania today, it could be that they went missing since reaching South Africa." A netizen from Singapore, Katsuge said: "These four players made the correct choice" Bulgarian poster ggrrg, agreed: "Honestly I don't think any of the team would want to return to a country like that, it's like hell."
Various American and Cuban netizens brought up the 2007 Pan-American Games, when two Cuban boxers went into hiding but were finally discovered, leading not only to deportation but lifetime boxing bans.
Most posters showed sympathy for the four North Korean players, and discussed the coal mining incident - a former assistant of the national team alleged : "If they had lost, they would be punished, and some of them would be sent to work in coal mines."
Sohu Sports News - 尼斯
I translated as best as I could without referring back to the OP, so you may see the Chinese Whispers effect in action.
Source:
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搜狐体育讯 参加南非世界杯的四位朝鲜队球员在南非下落不明！——这是一位罗马尼亚网友在名叫“TeamLiquid”上发表的一篇文章，全文如下：
在阿根廷队和韩国队比赛的中场休息时，我将频道转到了TVR1(罗马尼亚国家电视一台)，新闻里提到在朝鲜队的四名球员已经于球队失去了联系，不知所踪。电视台的看法是，这些朝鲜队的球员们是在避免回到朝鲜
目前，这则报道还没有在任何国外的网络媒体上出现，因此真实性有待进一步证实，但是罗马尼亚国家电视台的报道也不会无风起浪。这则刊登在国际论坛Teamliquid上的文章引起了不小的反响，网友纷纷表达了自己的看法。
同样来自罗马尼亚的网友Pika Chu表示：“我在今天的罗马尼亚报纸上也看到了这则消息，报纸说他们有可能在来到南非后就已经不见了。”新加坡网友Katsuge说：“这四名球员做出了正确的决定。”保加利亚网友ggrrg也表示了赞同：“实际上，我无法想象任何的朝鲜球员会愿意回到那样的国家，那简直就像地狱一般。”
美国和古巴的网友则谈到了2007年的泛美运动会，当时两名古巴拳击手在美国藏匿了起来，但是最终还是被发现了，他们不仅被遣送回国，还被终生禁止参加拳击运动。
大部分的网友都对朝鲜球员的做法表示了理解，认为朝鲜这个国家根本无法留住球员，并且谈到了那则著名的挖煤事件——一位朝鲜前任的国家队助理教练表示：“如果输球了，他们将受到惩罚，有的球员会被送去煤矿工作。”（搜狐体育 尼斯）刘建宏
Bonus Content - Various comments from Chinese readers
If the Chinese team had one half of the Korean team's pride in their country, we'd be regulars in the World Cup Finals.
This is a knavish conspiracy between South Korea and USA, who paid the local mafia to carry it out. North Korea should just nuke their bases.
Look how the Western media twists China. Chinese are sick of these opinions. Shameless Western media thinks it's so honorable, when it's a pile of shit itself. [rated like +300, higher than other comments, but apparently you can just spam click infinitely to uprate a comment]
It's gotta be fake, what about their family? Won't Sunny Kim (chinese nickname for Kim Jung Il) kill all their families?
We never should have supported North Korea against America in the first place! Then this hateful, shameful, sorrowful dictatorship wouldn't even have existed!
Why is there no news of the entire missing Chinese team?
If you'd rather be a refugee than return home, you can imagine what kind of country it's like. What about China? Don't think too highly of ourselves, it's even worse - it's wealthy people that emigrate to escape.
Last edit: 2010-06-18 14:00:37
 n.DieJokes   United States. June 18 2010 10:31. Posts 1230ProfileBlog#
They would be gods in back home, why would they try and escape?
Whoever is good. The best. Jaedong. - Gogo// Fuck Kespa
 Kennigit   Canada. June 18 2010 10:34. Posts 14322ProfileBlog#
Please, please let this be true.
 vOddy   Sweden. June 18 2010 10:35. Posts 171Profile#
My sincerest wishes of good luck to the escapées. I hope they manage to escape, and live good safe lives.
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 CaucasianAsian   United States. June 18 2010 11:40. Posts 5986ProfileBlog#
http://www.portugoal.net/index.php/more-oppostion-watch/12025-north-korea-players-go-missing
The World Cup is always a fascinating tournament as it constantly supplies moments of drama, genius and the absurd as FIFA have no idea of the whereabouts of four North Korean players.
Kim Myong, Kim Kyonh II, Na Chol and Pak Sung Hyok have literally disappeared as the four where nowhere to be found when North Korea took to the field in their Group G opener against the five-time champions Brazil.
A spokeperson from FIFA has admitted that they are also in the dark as to where the players could be because no one form North Korea has relayed the status of the players in question.
No comments or statements have been issued from the North Korea camp and the location of the four will remain a mystery until then.
No. I said no. Ok fine. Let's do it.
 ilj.psa   Peru. June 18 2010 11:55. Posts 2297ProfileBlog#
On June 18 2010 10:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
They would be gods in back home, why would they try and escape?
they rather get freedom that being famous in that place
 Weasel-   Canada. June 18 2010 11:59. Posts 325Profile#
Well, it WAS on the Romanian channel...
 Vasoline73   United States. June 18 2010 12:03. Posts 4840ProfileBlog#
I feel bad for the families of the players who escaped. They will all be dead/in camps if this is true
When a player loses a game and puts his head down and looks bummed.. HES NOT CRYING WHY DOES SOMEONE ALWAYS SAY "IS SOANDSO CRYING?" 99.9% of the time THEY ARENT SO SHUTUP DAMN!
 ShadeR   Australia. June 18 2010 12:30. Posts 187Profile#
On June 17 2010 22:51 Puosu wrote:
Seems highly unlikely anything like that could happen, interesting to see how the story develops though.
I don't think this would be the first time a Romanian didn't get a joke, would it?
Uh huh.
 illu   Canada. June 18 2010 12:54. Posts 1741ProfileBlog#
Did I get this right? Someone quoted some news from a not-very-trustworthy Romanian channel here, now that every news agency is quoting teamliquid?
 d_so   United States. June 18 2010 13:01. Posts 2194ProfileBlog#
i spent one year in the northeast part of china near the border of NK and China. I've met over 30 NK refugees in various circumstances, a few of them as taxi drivers, one was a doctor who treated me with acupuncture, a few were beggars. Also during my time there I also met many people who have crossed the border into NK to help with humanistic aid. These men and women have devoted over half their lives trying to help NK, some having even gone through incarceration and questionings during their brief time across the border.
I don't want to get all political here and all I have is anecdotal evidence, (albeit a lot of it), at the moment so I"ll keep it short. Those who thinks NK people are happy are seriously misinformed.
manner
 ThePurist   Canada. June 18 2010 13:06. Posts 37Profile#
On June 18 2010 13:01 d_so wrote:
I don't want to get all political here and all I have is anecdotal evidence, (albeit a lot of it), at the moment so I"ll keep it short. Those who thinks NK people are happy are seriously misinformed.
Thank you! If you read page 2 or something this other guy said I overgeneralized -_- when I told him about the shop keeper I buy smokes from.
 GoTuNk!   Chile. June 18 2010 13:10. Posts 118Profile#
This is on a Chilean serious newspaper aswell (www.latercera.com), they are citing italian newspaper "La Stampa". Prolly gonna be on news tomorrow.
Link (Spanish though):http://www.latercera.com/contenido/688_269102_9.shtml Last edit: 2010-06-18 13:14:04
 aLt)nirvana   Singapore. June 18 2010 13:36. Posts 195ProfileBlog#
http://www.portugoal.net/index.php/more-oppostion-watch/12025-north-korea-players-go-missing
North Korea players go missing
Quartet not on team roster for match against Brazil
north korea national team.jpgThe World Cup is always a fascinating tournament as it constantly supplies moments of drama, genius and the absurd as FIFA have no idea of the whereabouts of four North Korean players.
Kim Myong, Kim Kyonh II, Na Chol and Pak Sung Hyok have literally disappeared as the four where nowhere to be found when North Korea took to the field in their Group G opener against the five-time champions Brazil.
A spokeperson from FIFA has admitted that they are also in the dark as to where the players could be because no one form North Korea has relayed the status of the players in question.
No comments or statements have been issued from the North Korea camp and the location of the four will remain a mystery until then.
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 EleanorRIgby   Canada. June 18 2010 13:40. Posts 968Profile#
They go to represent their country and end up running away from it..
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=EleanorRIgby
 Three   United States. June 18 2010 14:52. Posts 123Profile#
Whenever I hear this kind of news (whether it is true or false) I'm just glad that we can log on the internet and give our opinion about it without being thrown into a concentration camp.
 illu   Canada. June 18 2010 14:56. Posts 1741ProfileBlog#
On June 18 2010 14:52 Three wrote:
Whenever I hear this kind of news (whether it is true or false) I'm just glad that we can log on the internet and give our opinion about it without being thrown into a concentration camp.